you're a teacher and educator. >> i mean there actually is extra credit for losing creatively if you are a current office holder. if you are a senator or governor and going to go back to that job then, in fact, there are ways if you lose you can lose and still retain your position, for example, as mccain does as a particular kind of voice within the context of the senate. but when you are as romney said many, many times in the primary, an unemployed guy, then what happens is you simply become sort of a speed bump in history. >> now, jeff, you followed a lot of campaigns. i'm sure you remember when people thought senator obama was losing. are people counting romney out too early and does that help him in any way? >> they're not counting him out of the obama campaign. the whole team in chicago and else where across the country is working really hard on their ground game. they want democrats not to feel overconfident, despite the fact that the polls are good, despite the fact that he's doing well in the swing states. they see this as a race that will be close and don't want their voters